[Chapter_Fourteen] the fence
Starhawk
stella at mcn.org
Sat Nov 13 06:00:06 PST 2010
I also haven’t had time to write much or even read all the threads—hope to
catch up soon. But I was part of Prevention Point, the group that started
needle exchange here in San Francisco as a direct action back in the
nineties, when it was illegal. We did it to help prevent the spread of
AIDS, and set it up very carefully to be an exchange—precisely to get some
of the dirty needles back so they didn’t end up in empty lots and childrens’
playgrounds. A bunch of the people starting the project were sociologists
who were able to do some key studies that showed that drug users were
interested in their health, that they would use an exchange (in fact we were
soon overwhelmed with demand and funding the project became the biggest
challenge), that a needle exchange could be part of a harm reduction
approach to drug use and that it could slow the spread of AIDS into the
drug-using community. The data led other groups to set up needle exchanges
around the world. We were never arrested—because the sheriff, mayor and
police were tacitly in favor of what we were doing, and the program
eventually became legalized and funded. Of all the political actions I’ve
done, this one really felt like we were directly saving lives each night we
went out, and was a model of a successful campaign. I have a lot of friends
who have continued to work in that community for decades—I can ask some of
them what they advise around the needle problem at HVF. Blessings,
Starhawk
On 11/12/10 5:41 PM, "Jay" <protojay at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yah. Agreed.
>
> On Nov 12, 2010 4:34 PM, "Jason Hiller" <jdhiller at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I agree that no-one should feel free to forward anything stated on the
>> > threads to anyone outside of the threads in the future. Being personally
>> > identifiable by our email addresses really makes this a sensitive issue.
>> >
>> > If this can't be adhered to then I personally can't be comfortable
>> > participating further. No harm with that move it seems but better to draw
>> > that boundary now or at least confront it if there is opposition to this
>> > notion.
>> >
>> > Agreed?
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Antonio Roman-Alcala <
>> > antidogmatist at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>>> >> Levi-
>>> >> Excuse me. All I was doing was following up on the interest expressed (in
>>> >> this thread, by many HVF participants) to connect with Project Homeless
>>> >> Connect and Growing Home Community Garden. Knowing someone very involved
in
>>> >> those projects, I figured to make the connection. I didn't tell Megan,
>>> the
>>> >> director of GHCG, what to do or anything; just let her know that there
>>> was
>>> >> interest from HVF for support on this issue and that she may want to get
in
>>> >> contact with HVF-ers to begin a dialog.
>>> >>
>>> >> I never spoke "for" HVF.
>>> >>
>>> >> I sincerely hope this is not seen as un-called for.
>>> >> -Antonio
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Levi Maxwell <levisiah at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>>> >>> Antonio: Who are you to speak for Hayes Valley Farm; I personally am
>>>> >>> offended by this as a homeless individual who has been with HVF for
>>>> several
>>>> >>> month now. It is this sort of thing I had hoped would be worked out in
>>>> this
>>>> >>> forum; that is a general consensus would be made before calling other
>>>> >>> organizations.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> There is a disconnect that people have for some reason; you are not
>>>> >>> helping getting a middle man involved esp. before we talk to the
>>>> squatters
>>>> >>> (Though in actuality HVF are the squatters who took the homes of the
>>>> former
>>>> >>> community before gentrification, urban renewal, and "Green"
>>>> establishments
>>>> >>> came about).
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Vanessa Roland
>>>> <vanessa.roland at gmail.com
>>>>> >>> > wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> I do not have time to write much but am finding this thread very
>>>>> >>>> interesting and love all of the comments, ideas, and breaking of
>>>>> >>>> stereotypes. As a youth educator at HVF, I find the needles to be a
>>>>> >>>> hazardous and ongoing problem that we are desperate to find solutions
to
>>>>> >>>> sooner rather than later. We have been working with mostly small
>>>>> children
>>>>> >>>> who pick up any and everything they find onsite, especially the
>>>>> unusual. So
>>>>> >>>> one of our tasks as educators is to survey the farm for needles and
>>>>> traces
>>>>> >>>> of needle use before any of our classes. This is hard to do on such a
>>>>> large
>>>>> >>>> area and with so many places for things to hide although one of the
>>>>> usual
>>>>> >>>> places we find needles is the area near our classroom. We have
>>>>> discussed
>>>>> >>>> whether putting up signs saying children's garden or space might
>>>>> deter the
>>>>> >>>> usage and disposal, but I'm not sure that is really enough.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I think reaching out to others in the neighborhood and community is a
>>>>> >>>> great avenue as I know it is an issue in other areas of the
>>>>> neighborhood. I
>>>>> >>>> have friends with a small child who live a couple blocks away and
>>>>> >>>> consistently find needles on the street which they find very
>>>>> disturbing. I
>>>>> >>>> also believe needles are found at Patricia's Green nearby and in
>>>>> various
>>>>> >>>> areas along Octavia. I think part of the reason for so many needles
>>>>> in the
>>>>> >>>> vicinity is the clean needle exchange nearby. I believe it is at the
LGBT
>>>>> >>>> Community Center on Market and Octavia. Maybe they are a community to
>>>>> reach
>>>>> >>>> out to as well for ideas. I have the same question as Rachel about
drop
>>>>> >>>> boxes. Once going through all this effort to get high, will someone
>>>>> make the
>>>>> >>>> effort to dispose of the needle properly? and how is it monitored? I
know
>>>>> >>>> very little about all of this so do not feel able to adequately
>>>>> answer these
>>>>> >>>> questions or develop clear solutions but am very open to learning,
>>>>> >>>> collaborating, and outreach to make the situation better for all.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I would love to not be fearful each time we have children onsite that
>>>>> >>>> they might reach into a patch of squash or broccoli and find a
>>>>> needle.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> There is an elderly homeless man that I see frequently near the farm
whom
>>>>> >>>> I believe sleeps in or near often. I find him to be friendly when I
>>>>> walk by
>>>>> >>>> and feel he might be a good person to reach out to for more
>>>>> information
>>>>> >>>> about what happens at night. Has anyone talked with him yet?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Vanessa
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Rachel A. Buddeberg
>>>>> <rachel at rabe.org>wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> A couple of thoughts:
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> * If people come onto the Farm to use drugs, will they really use
the
>>>>>> >>>>> needle drop boxes? This is an honest question - I don't know,
>>>>>> though it
>>>>>> >>>>> would seem odd to me that someone scales a fence, shoots up illegal
>>>>>> drugs,
>>>>>> >>>>> and then is orderly enough to dispose of their needle... Plus,
>>>>>> there's a
>>>>>> >>>>> question of trust - is someone monitoring the drop box?
>>>>>> >>>>> * Is needle sharing still an issue? I know this is a totally
>>>>>> different
>>>>>> >>>>> can of worms but offering clean/sterile needles might be a need,
too.
>>>>>> >>>>> * I very much liked Shannon's suggestion of working with Project
>>>>>> >>>>> Homeless Connect, especially given their background! I think this
>>>>>> City is in
>>>>>> >>>>> desperate need of rethinking how we treat our homeless neighbors.
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Rachel
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Jason Hiller wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> I just read the thread from start to now. Going back to the
>>>>>> conversation
>>>>>> >>>>> about the fence seems most useful. There is a general principle I'm
>>>>>> sure we
>>>>>> >>>>> all know that when you are in an argument or disagreement with
>>>>>> someone the
>>>>>> >>>>> best way to disarm them is to accept them.
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> The fence is ragged. If it weren't for the children's posters
>>>>>> hanging
>>>>>> >>>>> from them I think the farm would look more like a private place to
>>>>>> me than a
>>>>>> >>>>> public place. Well, it still seems private and I think that is okay
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> >>>>> there are commodities and things of value on the inside even if it
>>>>>> is all of
>>>>>> >>>>> us that owns that stuff.
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> The thing about crime is that you have to ultimately decide how
much
>>>>>> >>>>> crime prevention is going to be apart of your life. If someone
>>>>>> wants to
>>>>>> >>>>> commit a crime there is truly very little you can do to stop them.
>>>>>> If they
>>>>>> >>>>> want to break in to your home or car the chances are that they are
>>>>>> going to
>>>>>> >>>>> do it.
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Exactly which parts are we identifying as criminal here- or maybe a
>>>>>> >>>>> better phrase is disagreeable to the site. I think IV drug use is a
>>>>>> concern
>>>>>> >>>>> and I could totally understand why Friend 2 decided to call whether
you
>>>>>> >>>>> liked it or not. I have put my hands into the broccoli patch and
>>>>>> harvested
>>>>>> >>>>> before anyone told me to be on the lookout for such a thing. I
>>>>>> would be very
>>>>>> >>>>> upset to say the least if I got stuck by a needle. IV drug use
>>>>>> transmits
>>>>>> >>>>> diseases and it is a very serious issue that you can't deliberate
>>>>>> on too
>>>>>> >>>>> long. I'd hate to see a resolution wait until after someone gets
hurt.
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> But other than that, do we care if people make use of the land? Do
we
>>>>>> >>>>> have obligations to prevent such access?
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> I would propose two things to help make a solution. One- create an
open,
>>>>>> >>>>> 24/7 public access to the site almost in a plaza-like feel. This
gives
>>>>>> >>>>> people who need a place to sleep the ability to take advantage of
it in
>>>>>> >>>>> non-destructive ways. Accept them instead of make them scale the
>>>>>> fence.
>>>>>> >>>>> Greater access would have the benefit of letting the people who
>>>>>> respect the
>>>>>> >>>>> fence enter. In other words, the people that are jumping the fence
>>>>>> are the
>>>>>> >>>>> people that already don't mind acting criminally (although whether
>>>>>> that is
>>>>>> >>>>> criminal is up to debate).
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> The second thing I would propose is, yes put in needle drop boxes.
I
>>>>>> >>>>> would be surprised if with a few phone calls to the Health
>>>>>> Department if
>>>>>> >>>>> they wouldn't come out and give you what you need and organize the
>>>>>> pick up
>>>>>> >>>>> of them too. It is a bio-hazard and I think it really best to let
>>>>>> >>>>> professionals deal with the collection and removal. But more
>>>>>> importantly,
>>>>>> >>>>> how do you offer encouragement, support and information to users so
they
>>>>>> >>>>> reconsider. A simple sign that gets the message of "if you are
>>>>>> going to use
>>>>>> >>>>> here, at least follow these safety steps" could do wonders to
>>>>>> reaching those
>>>>>> >>>>> folks so that they become aware that their actions, while not
>>>>>> judging them,
>>>>>> >>>>> are causing others great concern.
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> I'd be interested in helping figure out plans for these things if
they
>>>>>> >>>>> seem viable to the larger farm group.
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:17 AM, margaretha haughwout <
>>>>>> >>>>> xmargarethax at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>> hi all,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>> i've been staying silent on here in the hope we might get some
new
>>>>>>> >>>>>> voices on this thread. this thread has initiated several
>>>>>>> conversations for
>>>>>>> >>>>>> me outside of this list, one on one, which has been very
>>>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>> one thing that has been gently pointed out to me is that the iv
users
>>>>>>> >>>>>> are not necessarily the homeless. they could easily be rich and
>>>>>>> unable to
>>>>>>> >>>>>> use at home. i think i sort of conflated the two initially. i
>>>>>>> appreciate
>>>>>>> >>>>>> that i was shown this, and that the showing was so gentle.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>> and thank you rachel, these suggestions are very good. one of the
>>>>>>> >>>>>> intentions behind starting this list was for people - newly
>>>>>>> forming farms,
>>>>>>> >>>>>> gardens, and other groups - to get practical advice from people
>>>>>>> who have
>>>>>>> >>>>>> experience working with alternative models of governance,
>>>>>>> economy, labor,
>>>>>>> >>>>>> human relationship, etc. there are maybe 50 people on this list
>>>>>>> at this
>>>>>>> >>>>>> point, and i'm hoping it will grow and that we can continue to
>>>>>>> advise each
>>>>>>> >>>>>> other on good practices as well as helping to clarify the issues
>>>>>>> as a few
>>>>>>> >>>>>> good friends have done offline in the past couple of days.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>> clearly, we have a lot of work to do in terms of building
>>>>>>> relationships
>>>>>>> >>>>>> and trust across the border between day and night. i look forward
>>>>>>> to this
>>>>>>> >>>>>> work.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>> i hope folks will continue to pipe in here. i'd love to further
the
>>>>>>> >>>>>> discussion about written contracts. very curious about this
>>>>>>> debate rachel
>>>>>>> >>>>>> and i began, and hope someone might elaborate on peoples or
>>>>>>> practices that
>>>>>>> >>>>>> are successful that don't have written contracts.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>> also continue to be curious about any suggestions we might have
for
>>>>>>> >>>>>> working with the nighttime community on site and more generally,
>>>>>>> >>>>>> accountability structures that facilitate response - ability to
>>>>>>> the land and
>>>>>>> >>>>>> to the city (and to each other - !)
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>> best wishes,
>>>>>>> >>>>>> /m
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Rachel A. Buddeberg
>>>>>>> <rachel at rabe.org>wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree that we'd have to tread carefully when involving
outside
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> agencies. HOT might be out because it's a City organization
>>>>>>>> (though there
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> might be people working for HOT who have "I wish we could"
>>>>>>>> ideas that go
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> beyond the standard way of thinking...). The reason I
>>>>>>>> suggested talking to
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> other organizations is to learn from them. Maybe some of them
>>>>>>>> have figured
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> out ways to address issues like addiction. But I think the
>>>>>>>> most important
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> people to get involved in these discussions are the homeless
>>>>>>>> themselves, so
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> that Portland organization might be a good org to reach out to
(
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.dignityvillage.org/). Maybe also Street Sheet (
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://cohsf.org/streetsheet/). Reaching out would be just to
get
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ideas for potential solutions...
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Levi Maxwell wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I feel that this issue is not only a farm issue but a
>>>>>>>> city-wide
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> issue as well.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will not agree with any banning or invasion of an
>>>>>>>> individuals home;
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> HVF has for two decades been the workspace and living space for
>>>>>>>> many people
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> left with very few options in a city that cares only somewhat
>>>>>>>> for Homeless
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> people under 24 and women with children (Which is important as
>>>>>>>> we are more
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> likely to need special services that plague our demographic).
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is my belief in harm reduction as well as inter-community
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> dialogue that the inhabitants and Farmworkers can come to a
>>>>>>>> resolution.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> However I have no romantic notions about this; mental illness
is
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> rampant in my community, esp. in the camper community who
>>>>>>>> either because of
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> the feelings they have towards the shelter system or simply not
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> understanding what is best for their health choose to live
>>>>>>>> literally in the
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> streets (the vast majority do not). There will be drunks, there
will be
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> heroin/meth/crack addicts, there will be people with mental
>>>>>>>> disabilities;
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> but if we can work with everyone even with the cultural gaps
of two
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> disparate groups (because there are many cultures that belongs
>>>>>>>> to homeless
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> people) we can come up with something.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> HVF must stand together with a single voice and come to a
>>>>>>>> conclusion
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> that can be agreed upon, so that there won't be some
>>>>>>>> individuals calling
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> police or disregarding new ground rules. We must not come off
>>>>>>>> as saviors;
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> neithier should we push our beliefs of what is right for them
>>>>>>>> (that is
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> alternative living situations); only suggestions.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Long term goals like building up security or breaking down the
fence,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I feel is too soon to think about because we should make sure
the
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> demographic discussed is the one doing damage.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Right now a few feet away the staff and clients of a youth
runaway
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> house I am living at are talking about misidentification. We
>>>>>>>> know the
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> neighbors for the most part don't like or want us here (even
>>>>>>>> though this
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> building in one form or another has been a emergency home for
>>>>>>>> 20 years and
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> most residents have been here less then 5-10 years) and we have
>>>>>>>> to be on our
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> P's and Q's when outside because any time anyone who looks
>>>>>>>> young makes noise
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> or trouble we get blamed, putting our housing and future
>>>>>>>> housing in this
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> building and other buildings around the city for us in >>>>>>>>
jeopardy.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> The sons and daughters/students of this now gentrified,
>>>>>>>> priviledged,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> & "hip" neighborhood walk around drunk, yelling at people,
>>>>>>>> screaming,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> creating noise, yet we a demographic in need of services the
>>>>>>>> most and
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> understand our placement in these surrounding people's minds
>>>>>>>> get blamed.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Phone calls and complaints come to the program manager and he
has to
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> decipher out what was us and what was them (Even though he
>>>>>>>> can't know since
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> he is never here in the building itself).
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> So remember think about what HVF does before we call any
outside
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> organizations or people; some folks just want to live their
>>>>>>>> life and thread
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> lightly and the ones who don't, those are the ones *we *need to
speak
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 6:03 PM, margaretha haughwout <
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> xmargarethax at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> dear rachel and everyone.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thanks so much for writing and offering your insights and
>>>>>>>>> feedback.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> a few brief responses with yes more to follow:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sorry to link to the google doc; i mean to link to this:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.sfgov2.org/index.aspx?page=2041
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and no, we don't have a fixed decision making process at the
farm
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> right now, beyond the small groups that we at times work
>>>>>>>>> within. i work
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> within a few small groups at the farm. the one i work most
>>>>>>>>> actively within
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> goes by consensus with the bigger decisions, and a
>>>>>>>>> conversation- based
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ad-hoc style for the smaller decisions. to be clear, the
>>>>>>>>> ad-hoc nature at
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the farm that i described with the friends as an example has
many
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> advantages. it means we can respond very quickly in some
>>>>>>>>> circumstances and
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> act with some freedom. i'm not necessarily arguing against
>>>>>>>>> it... is there
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> someway we can have both consensus and ad-hoc? i worked as a
>>>>>>>>> gardener for
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> over a decade, mostly with women; we would deliberate about
>>>>>>>>> what to do about
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> an apple tree for a while, and then one of us would make a
>>>>>>>>> move. similar
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> things seem to be happening at the farm, though there are
>>>>>>>>> more people, and
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> not everyone is consulted on any given issue. i'm sure you
>>>>>>>>> can imagine there
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> are some circumstances that arise where this may be more of a
>>>>>>>>> problem...
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> in regards to Diana Leafe Christian, i'm so glad you brought
her up.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i was hoping she would figure here. to be honest, i'm wary of
written
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> documents, since they've been so successful of robbing native
>>>>>>>>> peoples of
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> their land. have you heard criticisms of the written
>>>>>>>>> document? what are the
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> pros and cons? what do non-literate cultures do?
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> all the best wishes,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> /m
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Rachel A. Buddeberg
>>>>>>>>> <rachel at rabe.org
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wow! There is lot to digest here, so I am only going to
respond
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> with some initial thoughts, probably more
>>>>>>>>>> questions/reaction that I had when
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> reading these...
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sit/Lie passed on Tuesday. To me this shows that the
>>>>>>>>>> majority of
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the voting City does not want to see homeless. Homeless
>>>>>>>>>> remind us of the
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> inequality we've created in this land of plenty where some
>>>>>>>>>> don't even have a
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> place to sit or sleep or wash. To me this means that the
>>>>>>>>>> farm represents a
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> real opportunity to show that things can be different. But
>>>>>>>>>> it also means
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the prevailing winds we have to deal with: Homeless are
>>>>>>>>>> mostly seen as a
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> nuisance not as human beings with needs.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As I was walking from the Farm yesterday to one of the
>>>>>>>>>> cafes to use
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the restroom, I watched a homeless guy comb his beard and
>>>>>>>>>> hair. He seemed
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> strangely dignified, as he was doing something so usual to
>>>>>>>>>> us - trying to
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> maintain a resemblance of dignity in a very humiliating
>>>>>>>>>> situation. Are
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> there maybe some homeless who are not addicts and could
>>>>>>>>>> offer some
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> suggestions and/or help? Why are the people using drugs
>>>>>>>>>> (beyond the
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> addiction; addicts are very wounded people)? Would they get
>>>>>>>>>> off drugs if
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> they had hope for something? Homeless are part of our
>>>>>>>>>> communities. Most
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> people don't see them that way and we often don't talk to
>>>>>>>>>> them to see if
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> they have solutions.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is a garden very close to the Farm run by the Project
Homeless
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Connect (it's on the other side of Octavia on Oak St).
>>>>>>>>>> Would working with
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> them might help us figure out a solution? Also, what did
>>>>>>>>>> the HOT people
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> say? (It looks like you linked to a Google doc. If that's
>>>>>>>>>> true, I am not
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> able to access it). Also, there's dignity village in
>>>>>>>>>> Portland (
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.dignityvillage.org/).
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am not sure how to approach the communication issues
>>>>>>>>>> other than
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> mentioning a couple of reactions: Calling HOT seemed like a
>>>>>>>>>> breach of the
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> consensus and I am wondering if the person who called them
>>>>>>>>>> realizes that; do
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> you have a process set up for making decisions. That's one
>>>>>>>>>> thing Diana
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Leafe Christian talks about as one of the absolute
>>>>>>>>>> necessities for a
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> community: a written agreement on how important decisions
>>>>>>>>>> are made. To me,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> how to deal with the golden fence seems like a very
>>>>>>>>>> important discussion
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> that might need to be made more formally.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2010, at 3:01 PM, margaretha haughwout wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Last night a few of us went to see Starhawk’s new movie
called
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Permaculture: the Growing Edge at Madrone Studios. One of
>>>>>>>>>> the things
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Starhawk said during the panel discussion is that the edge
>>>>>>>>>> is where the gold
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> is. The margins, the fence line, the difficulties. It’s
>>>>>>>>>> interesting because
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> there’s a way in which all of our problems/ opportunities
>>>>>>>>>> (in permaculture
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> problems and opportunities are the same) at the farm can be
>>>>>>>>>> tracked to the
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> reality and the metaphor of the fence. How can we make the
>>>>>>>>>> most of this
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> edge?
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Jay <protojay at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The morning after the “Attack on the
>>>>>>>>>>> Bees<http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/07/bee-murder-at-hayes-val
>>>>>>>>>>> ley-farm-unknown-attacker-sprays-hives-with-pesticide.php>”
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> at Hayes Valley Farm, I was walking around the fence line
>>>>>>>>>>> looking for holes,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> evidence of the vandalism, hoping to find a can of Raid
>>>>>>>>>>> or something that
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> could be fingerprinted or traced.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I met one of the farm’s neighbors on this walk, the
property
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> manager of the building on Octavia and Hickory. I asked
>>>>>>>>>>> him about the holes
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> in the fence on Hickory Street, and mentioned the
>>>>>>>>>>> vandalism that had
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> occurred the night before. He offered to keep an eye on
>>>>>>>>>>> the site from his
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> window and when cruising around the neighborhood in his
car.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Since then, he has called me a few times. The day after
our first
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> encounter, there was a burglary at the site, someone
stole 3000
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> pounds of
>>>>>>>>>>> cardboard<http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-07-23/bay-area/21994721_1_
>>>>>>>>>>> bee-colonies-vandals-sprayed>,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and my new friend called to let me know when the east
>>>>>>>>>>> gate was open and not
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> locked. This is how I learned about the crime. After
>>>>>>>>>>> that, there were a few
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> other late night calls with thoughts on security, and a
>>>>>>>>>>> few neighborly
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> hellos over the summer. We talked about the fence-line
>>>>>>>>>>> some more, the new
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> neighborhood-watch styled public safety group being
>>>>>>>>>>> formed to ensure safety
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and security on the farm and in the neighborhood, and
>>>>>>>>>>> friendly small-talk.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I invited him to participate in the Public Safety
>>>>>>>>>>> Meetings with the Hayes
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Valley Neighborhood Association. Later, I learned that
>>>>>>>>>>> he has lived there
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> for years, has been his old cars in the alley since the
>>>>>>>>>>> before the freeway
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> closed (he actually used to have more of them), and had
>>>>>>>>>>> even complained
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> about the farm (on behalf of his tenants?) in the
>>>>>>>>>>> earliest of days of the
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Two weeks ago a security specialist walked the site with
me and
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> assessed areas of concern, mostly along the fence and in
>>>>>>>>>>> a few places within
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the site. Just last week, during METHODS 101:
>>>>>>>>>>> Permaculture Design
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Basics<https://docs1.google.com/document/d/1m2-j1YZPmjG-sh_s3PdcieqL
>>>>>>>>>>> L_wQqrW9Rwxr1dCYgC8/edit#>,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> one of the students decided to address safety and
>>>>>>>>>>> security on the farm as
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> their design project. During the site assessment, issues
>>>>>>>>>>> were identified.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There were some trees and overgrown brush along the alley
at
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Octavia and Hickory Streets that were preventing any of
>>>>>>>>>>> the lights from the
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> big parking lot on Oak and Octavia from shining into the
>>>>>>>>>>> alley, creating a
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> dark, boxed-in area that was obvious to the both the
>>>>>>>>>>> security specialist and
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the newest of observers as the easiest access point and
>>>>>>>>>>> biggest “hole in the
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> fence”.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The assessment continued to describe the problem with
>>>>>>>>>>> clean up here
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> is that the trees were hanging over the old cars. Cars
>>>>>>>>>>> which belonged to
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the same property manager. Apparently he had been asked
>>>>>>>>>>> many times by the
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> community to move them, to help in clean up the alley,
>>>>>>>>>>> and he had always
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ignored these requests.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Near the end of the METHODS 101 class, I noticed Robert
parking in
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the alley, and began to talk to him again from the top of
>>>>>>>>>>> the off-ramp
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> berms. We talked about the trees and the light and he
>>>>>>>>>>> offered to help. We
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> talked about his cars being in the way, and he offered to
>>>>>>>>>>> move them. He
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> went on to to tell me why there were so many paper plates
>>>>>>>>>>> near the corner of
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the farm’s fence. He explained he had been feeding some
>>>>>>>>>>> cats who patrolled
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the farm at night by. We talked a little bit about how
>>>>>>>>>>> the pile of plates
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> weren’t really the best thing for the plants growing on
>>>>>>>>>>> the fance, and that
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> maybe we could figure out another way. Feeding them on
>>>>>>>>>>> the outside wouldn’t
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> work, putting a dish on top of the fence wouldn’t work.
>>>>>>>>>>> He liked the idea
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> of a feeding tray attached to the inside of the fence,
>>>>>>>>>>> that he could pour
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> food into...
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Then, we talked about the tomatoes. He was very
>>>>>>>>>>> impressed with
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> them and I gave him a handful to enjoy, here is the shot
>>>>>>>>>>> I took through the
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> fence - http://protojay.tumblr.com/post/1489300766.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Jay
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 2:59 PM, margaretha haughwout <
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> xmargarethax at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That story reminds us that our presence is new on this
site.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Homeless folks have been on site for much longer than
>>>>>>>>>>>> we have, and this is
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> an uncomfortable positioning. Many of us know the
>>>>>>>>>>>> narratives of
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> gentrification and marginalization that frequently come
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the creation of
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> urban gardens; the white people come and make a robust
>>>>>>>>>>>> and pleasing green
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> space, the rents go up and so does intolerance. And yet
>>>>>>>>>>>> we also have an
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> obligation to the city government for permitting us to
>>>>>>>>>>>> be on site, and an
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> obligation to the neighborhood, to look “respectable.”
>>>>>>>>>>>> We need to protect
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the daytime community from getting hurt, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> tomatoes from getting
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> trampled. How do the permaculture values of earth care,
>>>>>>>>>>>> people care, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> fair share figure here? How do we care for all the
>>>>>>>>>>>> people that tread across
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> this site? What is the fair share? Who gets the food?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Who recognizes it as
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> food? Is it too far fetched to think this farm might
>>>>>>>>>>>> help the drug addicts
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> that trespass here? Today Jay and I discussed designing
>>>>>>>>>>>> a safe enclosed
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> space with small trees and other food forest layers for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the nighttime users.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Another acquaintance regularly meets with the upper
crust
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> designers in Hayes Valley (of which there are many).
>>>>>>>>>>>> These are people who
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> don’t know permaculture, never come to the farm, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> think they know urban
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> design. She says they frequently ask what the hell is
>>>>>>>>>>>> going on over there.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why doesn’t it look good? Our fence line is in flux
>>>>>>>>>>>> right now. There’s a big
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> area we’re sheet mulching and there’s a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>> cardboard. It looks like
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> trash because it is! We’re closing that loop, turning
>>>>>>>>>>>> trash into nutrient
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and resource. We start all of our plants from seed,
>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than buying big
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> full plants, so we aren’t transforming overnight. We’re
a farm.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Somehow to me the fence is emblematic of our unique
>>>>>>>>>>>> positioning as
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> an inner city farm. It is a constant reminder of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> larger national,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> civilized, and urban infrastructures we operate within:
>>>>>>>>>>>> of land ownership,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> upper class values, of real and perceived dangers that
>>>>>>>>>>>> come from class
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> divisions and unequal distribution of resources.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> /m
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Jay
>>>>>>>>>>>> <protojay at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My good friend tells this story:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> “Last fall, a group of us would meet for brunch on
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sundays. This
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> was before we were given permission to open the gates
(to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> activate the space and provide the community with
>>>>>>>>>>>> access to it).
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We were dreaming about "Volunteer Work Parties" on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> giant lot. After
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> brunch, we would walk around the perimeter fences to
>>>>>>>>>>>> observe the site.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> After a few walks, we had met quite a few neighbors,
>>>>>>>>>>>> who loved to talk
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> about the potential for the space and what they had
>>>>>>>>>>>> been observing over
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> time. We came to know the fence line very well. We
>>>>>>>>>>>> would admire the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> recently dumped furniture, look for freshly cut holes
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the fence and other
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> signs of life.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Along Laguna Street, at the west gate, two large gates
locked
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> with a formidable chain and series of married locks.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The fences were all
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> topped with barbed wire. At the south gate, along Oak
>>>>>>>>>>>> street just east of
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Laguna, there was a hole in the fence big enough to
>>>>>>>>>>>> crawl through but not so
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> big that you could push a shopping cart through. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> hole in the cyclone
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> fencing was hastily cut and sharp of the passageway.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The more formal double
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> doors at the east gate was unlockable. The frame of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the doors was
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> stationary and the fencing slid open like a shower
>>>>>>>>>>>> curtain. It was clear
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> people had been camping under one of the Melaleuca
>>>>>>>>>>>> trees. A tent and tarp,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> piles of trash, and a dumpster lined the path. On one
>>>>>>>>>>>> section of the fence
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> near the east gate, an entire section of the fence was
>>>>>>>>>>>> removed from pole to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> pole.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On one beautiful sunny day last December, we visited
the site
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> with a good friend who was excited to shoot some
>>>>>>>>>>>> "before shots" of the site
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for a documentary. We parked in the Octavia and Oak
>>>>>>>>>>>> street parking lot,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> turned on the camera, hauling tripods and some extra
>>>>>>>>>>>> gear, and approached
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the east gate. As we "slid back the curtain" of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> fence and walked right
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> in, we were immediately warned off by a barking dog.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The large, gray black
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> lab-mix was protecting its owner's campsite. We
>>>>>>>>>>>> continued, and proceeded
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> along the ravine. We took video of the homeless'
>>>>>>>>>>>> camp, the tents and trash
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that lined the inside of the path. And the broken
>>>>>>>>>>>> bottles and needles that
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> lie all over the place.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We slowly walked through the site and up towards the
west gate.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We had been there for a little while, testing
>>>>>>>>>>>> different lenses and lighting
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and shooting some footage of the ramps. At one point,
>>>>>>>>>>>> while heading back
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> down the offramp, we noticed something "going down" at
>>>>>>>>>>>> the east gate. A
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> couple of more people were now assembling there,
>>>>>>>>>>>> milling about behind the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> parking valet shack that was stationed right outside
>>>>>>>>>>>> the gates. We wanted
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to get out of there, but all of this new action was
>>>>>>>>>>>> happening at our
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> entrance (and planned exit). With some adrenaline, we
>>>>>>>>>>>> remembered the hole
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> in the south gate and decided we should try to squeeze
>>>>>>>>>>>> through their rather
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> than "run the gauntlet" of the barking dog, the camp,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the new gang
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> forming at the gate.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I went first through the hole, to show my
>>>>>>>>>>>> documentarian friend
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> how to get low and avoid the spikes. As she got
>>>>>>>>>>>> through, she started to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> stand up and scratched her arm on the fence. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> looked pretty bad. That
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> night, after showing her family what happened, she
>>>>>>>>>>>> never came back to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> farm.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, the footage is in an archive somewhere (for now)
and one day
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> she might come back to shoot some "after" shots...”
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -Jay
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://protojay.tumblr.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 2:47 PM, margaretha haughwout
<
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> xmargarethax at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On our farm we find heroin needles in between the
broccoli
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> plants. We have a barbed wire fence that wraps around
>>>>>>>>>>>> the entire 2.5 acres
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of our "freeway food forest" -- a food forest that is
>>>>>>>>>>>> rising from the ruins
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of a freeway that collapsed and then lay dormant for
>>>>>>>>>>>> 20 years. At night
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> there is a pregnant cat that makes the place her own
>>>>>>>>>>>> (all the sheet mulching
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> has stirred up the mice and rats). Other folks crawl
>>>>>>>>>>>> through the fence at
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> night too. With perhaps one exception, the people
>>>>>>>>>>>> that come at night aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the same people that come during the day. Often
>>>>>>>>>>>> “fresh” needles appear in
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the morning. The stories we write about here all have
>>>>>>>>>>>> to do with the chain
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> link and barbed wire fence that was on site when we
>>>>>>>>>>>> arrived. The forces it
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is meant to keep out, the forces it is meant to
>>>>>>>>>>>> contain, the edge it creates
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> around our site, the fact that it is there at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are regular potlucks Tuesday evenings on the
farm. Last
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> week I didn't go, but I live really close by, so I
>>>>>>>>>>>> got a text message from a
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> friend saying she way stopping by. She came up saying
>>>>>>>>>>>> she wouldn't stay long
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> as she was getting up at 5:30am tomorrow morning to
let H.O.T.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Homeless Outreach
>>>>>>>>>>>> Team<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m2-j1YZPmjG-sh_s3PdcieqLL_
>>>>>>>>>>>> wQqrW9Rwxr1dCYgC8/edit?hl=en>through the gates to talk to the folks
>>>>>>>>>>>> that were sleeping there. "I guess
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> someone called them,” she said. I said I’d get up
>>>>>>>>>>>> with her. I was curious. A
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> few minutes later I got another text message from
>>>>>>>>>>>> another friend leaving the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> potluck. "Coming over!" it said. Friend no. 2 came up
>>>>>>>>>>>> and we told her how we
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> were getting up early for the Homeless Outreach Team.
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Oh," friend no. 2
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> said; "I called them. That was me."
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This call was predicated by several debates in our
community
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> about the homeless. Some feel we should let them
>>>>>>>>>>>> sleep in the farm, others
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> are more wary. Personally, I like the idea of city
>>>>>>>>>>>> worn homeless people
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> finding the soft sheet mulch to sleep on, and maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>> even helping themselves
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to some cherry tomatoes. For a farm built on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> principles of people care
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and fair share as well as earth care, we are torn by
>>>>>>>>>>>> what it means to give
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> them the boot. Youth education coordinators despair
>>>>>>>>>>>> over the fact that a
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> child might come across a needle before they do, and
since we
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> lost our bees this summer from a senseless act of
>>>>>>>>>>>> violence<http://www.hayesvalleyfarm.com/blog/324-two-killed-and-one
>>>>>>>>>>>> -attempt-at-the-farm.html>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> we are all a little more skittish. The last time I
>>>>>>>>>>>> sat with the women who
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> were at my house after the potluck, we had heated
>>>>>>>>>>>> debate on the topic around
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> another table at another house in the neighborhood.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It ended with all of us
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> agreeing if there was such a thing as a needle drop
>>>>>>>>>>>> box that was configured
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in a way that you couldn't reach back in and use the
>>>>>>>>>>>> old needles, it would
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> be a good idea to install a few of those around the
>>>>>>>>>>>> perimeter. We also
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> agreed that eventually we should probably just take
>>>>>>>>>>>> the fence down.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The obvious issue at hand in this story might be how
to handle
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the issue of homelessness and nighttime drug use on
>>>>>>>>>>>> our urban farm. The not
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> so obvious issue in this story, but one that we want
>>>>>>>>>>>> to tease out and
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> explore is how we decide what to do about the
>>>>>>>>>>>> homelessness and
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the needles - and the fence. In the scenario above,
>>>>>>>>>>>> some of the farmers
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> debated it at length and then one person took action
>>>>>>>>>>>> ad-hoc without really
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> having a method of checking in with the rest of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> community. Also, the way
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in which the conversations occurred were very ad-hoc,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and happened at a
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> variety of nodes located not only on the farm but in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the neighborhood around
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it - both inside and outside the farm. There is a lot
>>>>>>>>>>>> to say here about how
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> we make decisions on the farm, particularly when they
>>>>>>>>>>>> negotiate between the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> farm and the city, the inner and the outer, day and
>>>>>>>>>>>> night, permacultural and
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> urban. A lot of times decisions happen exactly in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> manner I’m describing
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> above. This is a thread someone might pick up for
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion: the thread of
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making and accountability when our values
>>>>>>>>>>>> ask us to be responsible
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to the land, the common people and the terms of our
>>>>>>>>>>>> lease asks us to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> accountable to a larger hierarchy. I love the
>>>>>>>>>>>> unfolding at play in the story
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> above, but what if friend no. 2 decided to call the
>>>>>>>>>>>> cops instead of H.O.T.?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lead Researcher, Hayes Valley Farm
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hayesvalleyfarm.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lecturer, Film and Digital Media
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> University of California Santa Cruz
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications 151
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Lecturer, Film and Digital Media
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> University of California Santa Cruz
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Communications 151
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>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lecturer, Film and Digital Media
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> University of California Santa Cruz
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>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.hayesvalleyfarm.com/
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lecturer, Film and Digital Media
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> University of California Santa Cruz
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Communications 151
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